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Cem Kaner's avatar

From the evidence you provide, it appears that Hindenburg's behaviour was outrageous.

Edwin Dorsey's avatar

Thank you Cem, I appreciate it and hope it changes in the future.

Max Nussbaumer's avatar

Sounds like you should drop your policy of not trading in your own recommendations. If your research is that good and copied months later by Hindenburg, you should start investing in your own ideas. It won't impede the credibility of your research with your audience, I am sure.

Investing Lawyer's avatar

Agree!

Edwin Dorsey's avatar

I'm flattered Max, thank you for the nice comment.

StockOpine's avatar

This speaks volumes about the quality of your work Edwin. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Dan Star's avatar

https://bytescare.com/blog/plagiarism-lawsuit

Very disrespectful of Hindenburg. WTF happened to honor?

anon's avatar

hindenburg seems determined to retain a short-seller scum reputation that the niche is damned with.

i doubt many of them have the integrity of edwin\bear cave level vetting.

Margin Of Safety's avatar

Well said. Honor is another virtue that is disappearing. More Charlatans than ever. Good work, Edwin. Always appreciated.

BigOinSeattle's avatar

I noticed that as well since I am on Hindenburgs mailing list. That’s hella shady, I won’t read them anymore

Graeme Wilson's avatar

Apologies for just seeing this now, but I saw the Hindenburg note come across my quotron when they published. Back of my head I was thinking: no shit, Edwin’s been here for over a year! I had no idea how egregious the plagiarism was.

You work 10x harder than their entire team combined, and this just proves it. I’m sure Hindenburg’s institutional consulting clients would be very interested in getting the research from the REAL source.

I’ve made money on this trade several times, completely due to your research. Charge whatever you want, never ever unsubscribing.

Keep that head up; if it were me I would sue them, but I’m an incredibly petty person when it comes to stuff like this😂

Edwin Dorsey's avatar

Thank you very much for your kind words and support Graeme. I much appreciate it

Investing Lawyer's avatar

Why we haven’t found this newsletter before!

Outstanding writing :)

greg d's avatar

Hello Edwin, i watched your interview in zer0stv, and it is obvious you put a lot of time and effort into your very detailed research. I'm a fan of people like Ralph Nader who have shown lots of integrity over time.

It is so bizarre and sad how shameless people are these days.

One thing i know is - you can't put a price on a clean conscience.

Keep up the good work!

Edwin Dorsey's avatar

Thank you very much Greg, your comment means a lot to me.

Linda's avatar

That sucks. If I were Hindenburg, and going to remedy the situation, I would include a footnote after the quoted sections, and an inline note like this

(Bear Cave)

But what do you think? What is a good remedy? The objective is proper and frequent credit, and for readers to be able to find the source, right?

Jeff's avatar

Hi Edwin. Thanks for your consistently high quality work. You are absolutely correct, this is plagiarism, from a journalistic standpoint. From a financial standpoint, for the vast majority of short sellers, it would might also be viewed as the heavy artillery, coming in to backup the scouts. An alliance of sorts, fighting a common enemy--corporate fraud and deception. It's admirable that you don't trade your views. At the same time, making the short case and trading the short case are two very different experiences. Might it be worthwhile opening a paper trading account? You might get a feel for it and it would simplify score keeping.

BigOinSeattle's avatar

If they were interested in being allies they should have given attribution